LeFLOFRANCO, F-O qu'on s'parle du racisme ! Dans l'épisode d'aujourd'hui, on s'parle de racisme avec FLO, de brutalité policière, mais aussi de musique, on s'parle aussi de sa chanson « On en a assez », une discussion très enrichissante !
Depuis un très jeune âge, Jeff Homère s’intéresse aux arts mais c’est la musique qui le passionne le plus. Aujourd’hui artiste-éducateur et directeur artistique des spectacles-concepts #HautesVibrations, c’est depuis un jeune âge qu’il acquiert de l’expérience en musique, en danse, en prise de son ainsi qu’en coordination d’évènements. Ce sont toutes ces expériences qui, en 2013, lui permettent de se joindre à l’équipe de l’APCM. Dans ses six ans au sein de l’APCM, il occupe le poste de pisteur radio, d’adjoint à la promotion, de responsable du service de Distribution APCM, du service aux membres et d’adjoint à la direction.
En octobre 2019, il prend de nouveaux défis et se joint à l’équipe de la Fédération de la jeunesse franco-ontarienne (la FESFO). Malgré ce changement, de par sa passion pour les arts, pour l’évènementiel et par son chapeau d’artiste, Jeff reste fortement impliqué dans l’industrie musicale franco-canadienne ainsi que dans la communauté franco-ontarienne en offrant des ateliers, en siégeant sur divers jurys ou encore, en faisant parti de groupes focus.
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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, I'm Danielle Roy and I'm the podcast host today.
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Speaker 1: And I'm Camille and I'm the other podcast host.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for being with us today. Welcome to AFO's first official podcast, FO qu’on s’parle. In this podcast, we have discussions with people of influence and accessible models from different circles of the Ontario and Ottawa Francophone community.
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Speaker 2: This first season is presented by the Ottawa Bilingual program of the ACFO in Ottawa. It is a micro-grants program that was created or launched to support initiatives that promote bilingualism in Ottawa.
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Speaker 1: So without further ado, let me introduce you to FLOFRANCO to talk about racism. Today, we talked about systemic racism and everyday racism to educate us a little more about it. Have fun!
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Speaker 3: Hello Flo! How is it going ?
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Speaker 3: I’m fine, I’m fine. We are here on January 7th. It's going so so right now we'll talk about it a little bit later but it's fine.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us for episode 5 of the AFO podcast!
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Speaker 3: It makes me happy! Thanks for the invitation, it's always good to talk with friends! The girls!
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Speaker 1: So the FLO, we have to talk about racism.
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Speaker 1: We start the discussion a little more melow, can you tell us about yourself? Your experiences, what you do in the community, who is the FLOFRANCO?
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Speaker 3: LeFLOFRANCO is an artist, I describe myself as a multicolored urban pop musician. You guys are friends so it's fun to be able to say that you came to a lot of my shows! Whether it's Flo or my High Vibrations shows.
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Speaker 3: I'm a guy who likes to bring people together, then with the concept of High Vibrations which was created in 2017, in November, the idea was to create a mode that allows me to run my show, but also to share the stage with my artist friends. The idea is to jump from one musical genre to another in the same evening, you can have R & B followed by big dirty rock with Regulation 17. We end the evening with me, theFloFranco. Each artist is given 20 minutes, then we pass the ball, pass the microphone like that. It's a small initiative. It started in November. It's been three years already. We celebrated our twentieth edition with you at AFO. By the way, this is the second time we've done a show for AFO. That's it, the event had this snowball effect when we started, the community and the artists loved the concept!
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Speaker 3: We met at festivals. The Franco-Ontarian festival, at the Frontenac cultural center in Kingston, we made Contact Ontarois. In short, we have 20 editions which have seen the light of day. The concert won a gold trill at the Trille Or gala in May 2019. A big thank you to the community who voted to artist friends who voted too. So that's it, I'm an artist who likes to bring people together, who does urban pop, it's rap that allows itself to float between rap, R&B, pop ... I like to share texts with groove. Otherwise, other than that, I'm a hard working guy, still quite involved in the community. I did six years at the APCM. It is the National Association of Song and Music.
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Speaker 3: Then recently, I took the leap. I took other challenges at FESFO, I've been at FESFO for a year now. I am very happy to be here. Then, like everyone else, I am a friend, I am a dad, a young dad, a 4 year old little girl. I'm a newlywed, what's it been like 5 years ago? I am a brother, an uncle, a man who likes to have fun. This is the FLOFRANCO.
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Speaker 1: We're trying, we're trying to spread the high vibrations.
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Speaker 1: Oh we can't wait to get back to high vibration. That is certain.
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Speaker 2: We talked about it the other day. We said like picture this, we are in a bar, there is a high vibration, we drink a drink, we dance, people come to dance with us, FLO gets on the platform! YAYYY! We can give hugs, life is good.
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Speaker 3: I miss it. It was fun to do that in the bars, it was a good way to have good little moments. It doesn’t need to be linked to a community event in bars.
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Speaker 1: Post-pandemic, we're sure we're going back to the bars.
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Speaker 1: But I think, because we are talking about the pandemic and because we are talking about everything that has happened. When did you launch an album like last year at the beginning of the year or was it in 2019?
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Speaker 3: It's 2019, it's still the end of 2019. In September, yes as just before the pandemic.
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Speaker 1: On this album, inherent force, you have a song on this album which is my favorite song that you wrote. I think I listen to it probably once a day, easily, which is called “On en a assez ! It's about racism, sexism, everything that's going on in society. Even today, like.
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that song, you made a video, and you launched it one like two weeks before George Floyd died and the timing of this video was so interesting because the demonstrations started afterwards.
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Speaker 3: The timing was divine as you say. If you would have told me when I was in album creation mode that it would happen I would have said whatever. The title is very clear. The theme, the main theme, is really racism. But themes in it too, as you mentioned, sexism, terrorism. These are themes that I address on the piece.
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Speaker 3: Where did the idea for this song come from? We've had enough. This is my first full length album, as it is my first 12 tracks back to back. Before this album, I really launched three EPs, like a mini album.
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Speaker 3: For my first album, I really wanted to address themes that are important to me, themes that have been trotting in my mind for a long time, that I really wanted to put forward. Then who says album? If I find my albums, it's therapeutic for me, but it's an opportunity to invite the public to get to know me a little more.
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Speaker 3: Then that's it, so it's the perfect opportunity to present topics or ideas that have spoken to me a lot. Besides that, I'm a black man.
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Speaker 3: I grew up in Canada, then from a young I’ve seen unpleasant situations which are strictly related to racism. That I see sexism, then I see weird things that bother me, are really frustrating, and offensive, and that's what I wanted to address that, I want to talk to you about it. I really immersed myself in the feeling that I felt every time I had to live a typical racist situation, there wasn't necessarily a specific situation that I had in mind while I was creating the song.
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Speaker 3: Instead of describing a situation precisely, I think it was important to convey the emotion that these multiple situations evoked in me. The main emotion is rage. To say that we are tired of seeing that these things have been happening since long before I was born, since I was very little, I have experienced it. My friends have experienced it and again in 2020 it's like so present in the world. As we said earlier the timing was mega divine. Before the death of Georges Floyd, there were cases like that. Police brutality is not something new, unfortunately, but I think during the pandemic, what is special about this situation? Everyone, like everyone else, was in pause mode like everyone else is at home. Everyone, ultimately, got to really see what people in my community, unfortunately, see a little bit every day and then you have cases that are never broadcast. They never go to the media, people don't talk about it. There are not normally different communities talking about it out loud. So I think George Floyd's death was really sad, the way that happened.
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Speaker 3: But I think that his legacy is that his death put the magnifying glass on the subject in a global, more global way, really kicked off protests all over the world.
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Speaker 1: Then, I think that's where we realize, all the injustices we see as we saw this year, we are now in a period where we have a tool that keeps evidence in our pockets. We are in a year, in such a futuristic situation, like ten years ago, I never thought I would start there.
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Speaker 1: Someone may have shared this event that triggered a snowball effect. After Gearge Floyd there was Breonna Taylor. There were two excruciating events that forced conversations and I know that for me, this is what came out the most about 2020. Me, I find that I had the privilege of having conversations with people in my life, then to see that in conversation, the world understood little more at the end of a conversation. I think that's a positive thing that came out of 2020, it created a culture of denunciation.
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Speaker 1: People started to say "ok what you just said is unacceptable and here is why."
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Speaker 3: I think it's because the world was really stuck at home, it allowed people to see it, to see the raw and it forced discussions. It also made it possible to see that the rage was so high level that it allowed people to see, really, to question themselves internally in relation to it all. Then see if you really understand what racism is.
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Speaker 3: Then, do you want to continue to remain silent or to use the situation to understand the realities of this community there, particularly and other communities as well. I completely agree. I think it's a good thing in chaos. There were some good things that came out of it. We must not forget that before George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, there was also Ahmaud Arbery who, in February, was shot because he was taking a run, just jogging. It is full of situations like that, that we have seen and lived with for a long, long, long time. Then finally, we were able to put our eyes on it and have real discussions, and then talk about real things like racism, not just racism but systemic racism. See how our society is built. When racism is found in everyday life.
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Speaker 1: I read a lot of articles, I read a lot of information, but it was never really explained to me as clearly what the definition of systemic racism is? Could you describe it to us a little? I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't know.
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Speaker 3: What is important to say before getting into the subject, I'm just an artist, just a guy, and I share with you my little knowledge, my reality, my perspective on things. I am not a politician or a spokesperson, just to clarify things for the people who are listening to us. Myself, I don't have the absolute answers. Myself, I still have research to do. I must continue to educate myself on this subject as well, but basically what I can say about systemic racism.
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Speaker 3: Basically systemic racism is really a nod to a system, to an organization, to an organization, if you will. Then the term systemic is really something that is anchored in the workings of our society. So if it's deeply rooted in the machine. If you want, then a way to understand what it is, at the level of a concrete example I would tell you precisely, the example of George FLoyd, it took like a lot for the police to be arrested, to be charged with concrete actions to reprimand the bad actions of these police officers there.
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Speaker 3: That is part of the police, legal, government system. Why does it take so long to do what you're supposed to do? Protect and serve.
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Speaker 3: When you kill someone for no valid reason, it must have consequences for your actions. It shouldn't take Papineau's head, like a good Quebecer, to speed up the movement if you want. Two things that go systemically, you can also get into the white privilege conversation too, but that's how I can explain it to you. When we look at the system, a lot of parts of our system in our society is built to serve a certain community more than another. That's what really falls into the systemic aspect of it.
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Speaker 3: I had seen a video that spoke of unconscious bias, did that play a big role in it? Like the police have an unconscious bias, so when they go for wellness checks or whatever, then they think the person will automatically be dangerous because a person is indigenous or black and react by using excessive force.
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Speaker 2: It's like that, yes.
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Speaker 1: Like every little thing like that, we are seeing in the United States at the moment the result. I think that was the best way to explain it at the moment.
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Speaker 3: That's what it is.
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Speaker 3: For people who are still wondering if white privilege still exists? I refer you to what happened yesterday.
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Speaker 1: On January 6, what happened was we saw the outgoing President of the United States have the audacity to encourage and engage his supporters to invade the Capitol in Washington using weapons and violence.
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Speaker 3: And then it happened in a spectacular fashion. Then, it's as if we were watching the decline of the american empire because there was a group of people who are white, who support Trump, in other words, white supremists, we will say real things, because we have to talk to each other right? Worse this group of people who had the green light from the outgoing president to go and protest the election of Joe Biden who was elected to officially begin his term to office on January 20. What Trump is saying is that the votes were rigged. The votes are not valid. We don't accept that. We ask you to recount, then we will not let it go. Then he is pumping his crowd, the world following him and there is a riot going on and they invade the capitol. Then we talk about a government parliamentary building in full session, so what happened yesterday, the 6th. When I compare that to the demonstrations that we have seen around my world, which were mostly no, which were all demonstrations with positive energy or were peaceful protests. So people rallied around to cry out out loud and denounce or cry out to the government that black lives matter.
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Speaker 3: And there the police come decked out, in excessive numbers, or people have been shot and injured by the police. Our community has been treated as if we were criminals while we were walking with supportive energy or to demonstrate how important it is to us. You, the government, are being asked to recognize that black lives are important and you are being asked to help fix the system and punish people who commit unnecessary criminal actions against people in the black community just because they are black. So here we are tormenting a community just because my color for supremist white is disturbing. As protect and serve, if something happens I should be able to feel comfortable calling 911 and trusting that the police will arrive as quickly as my neighbor who is a white man in his fifties. It's not because I am a black man, and I live in a community that may be less well served, which is a little poorer than the service, than the police, that the government is supposed to provide. , I don't have, I don't have the same result, I don't have the same result on my side, I am tormented, because I walk late at night with a Hoodie and I look suspicious all of a sudden. But why am I suspect? Because I have a hoodie? Because if we change the scenario, and I'm a white man running at night with a hoodie in my neighborhood and the police come by, are they going to doubt that person there? So the question for the subject of systemic racism is this whole question of ethics. What you do, the service you offer or the attitude, whether towards certain communities or what we, our black community, ask for, we are not asking you to shoot the whites. You shoot us because you think we are threats. You are not being asked to kill the whites, or the other communities. That's not what we're asking you. We ask you when you see people who are in balaclavas in the streets walking, then you take the time to question them or if you stop someone because he is speeding, then you have a conversation with that person, you don't jump on it right away, and then you threaten them. If you don't do this to a certain community, you are asked to treat us the same. It's just that we are asking for fairness and transparency across the board.
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Speaker 1: That's it because right now, what's going on on social media with what's going on in the capital, in Washington, in the United States, people are enraged because they wonder "where is the army? Where is the tear gas? Where are the rubber bullets?"
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Speaker 3: Where is this energy that you had towards a community that spoke out loud for the good of its race, for the good of its community? Where is that same energy when the white supremist showed up at this building that broke windows, you managed to let them go up a wall, enter the house and there you have security in the capitol. You had security and was a black man. He didn't have a gun, he had a little stick. There were about fifty people who managed to get into it as if it were nothing. If it were blacks, we have to tell each other the real things we are to we must talk to each other, never, never would that have happened. They are saying "yes, the police or the security were not ready for this kind of attack". I call bluff.
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Speaker 2: Yes you should have seen it coming, they've been making threats for weeks saying they're going to revolt.
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Speaker 2: Trump has been saying this day was going to happen since November. Since he lost in the election.
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Speaker 3: You should have been on high alert as if, you can’t come and tell me that you hadn't calculated that that day would happen, it's impossible.
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Speaker 2: It is not a reasoning to say that there was not enough security in the background.
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Speaker 3: When you compare with what happened in July, all the protests, you were clearly near, dressed like you were going to fight the Avengers or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Not been warned in the same way that's it. Me it is when I see the photo which compares the capitol during the demonstration of Black Lives Matter and capital. January 6th.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow I saw something worse I saw videos, I saw the same concept as the July BLM protests and what happened yesterday, then videos , it was like a black person who gets kicked by a police officer compared by a lady who gets out of the capitol like by the hand to go down the stairs.
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Speaker 3: Like they never would have done that for us.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's what you mean, that's why people are so mad. There was a situation of injustice, where a group of people were mistreated and then there is a group of people who used violence, who are not living the consequences. In our group chat one of our friends shared a picture that said like "We don't want you to shoot them like you shoot us, we want you not to shoot us like you don't shoot them."
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Speaker 3: That's what we're asking for. We are asking for a system of equality. It always comes down to that. I always say like the beauty of the human race. It comes in multiple colors, but ultimately it's the human race. What we do for one we should do for the other. What we don't do for one we shouldn't do for the other. Ultimately, this is what we ask the government or people in a position of power to recognize.
00:31:04
Speaker 3: And then to work, then to change.
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Speaker 3: Then it's sure that it will not happen overnight. In the end, that's what we're asking for. That's frustrating. Then we’ve had enough. That is a bit like that. It's just a cry of alarm. As things have to change, we have to stop acting as if racism is not there, when it is clearly, clearly, clearly there.
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Speaker 1: One thing that came up a lot during the demonstrations was comments like "yes but that is not happening in Canada". You grew up here, you are active in the Franco-Ontarian community, are you often the victim of racism?
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Speaker 3: Yes. The short answer is yes. To address people who say or think racism does not exist in Canada. I'm sorry to tell you, but it does exist. As I said earlier, I have been living it since I was very young. Today, I am a dad, I am an artist, I am someone who is involved in his community so I live it in a personal-professional way. On the personal side it can be something as basic as going to the store, trying to buy alcohol or smokes, and a white person will go to the cash register just before me, this person does not get carded. , then I pass and automatically I am carded and they ask me questions.
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Speaker 3: We get along, so we know it's the law for the person to ask. It doesn't matter if he is tall or short, female, male .... The law says that the person behind the counter has to ask whatever, but that is not the case. There is a joe blo who will pass, who is a bearded white man, he is in his forties or who is close to my age, sometimes he can even look younger than me, but because he is a white man, since the person behind the counter feels comfortable with this white person, he is not the law. Then I arrive, same size, same build, same age, and suddenly you are enforcing the law. This is a very subtle example of an act of racism against someone. Which comes to my point; what you do for one do it for the other, if you don't do it for one, do it for the other. If you do your job well, no matter all the details, you ask the question all the time because you obey the law. Another way that black people will experience racist comments often is like this. Me, I grew up in Vanier, now I'm in Orléans. I was at school here. Of course, I grew up with white people. I get along well with different communities. Everything's going well for me.
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Speaker 3: It didn't hit me as much as it hit me in the last year. One of the comments that I received almost every day, we will hear "Flo, yes you are a black man but for me you are not black. You are totally accessible, totally chill, is so like us, you grew up with us, that for us you are not black. " Then, for example, I always took it well and always understood that what the person really meant in my head, when the person says that they really mean, is that "I love you so much. that your color is not a criterion for me to judge you. I really judge you by your character, by the actions you do and by the energy you project around you, I feel good and I don't don't feel threatened. " However, when you really analyze the comment, it is a comment, which is racist. If let's say I tell you "girls you are so cool, we are friends, I don't even see you as women, you are my boys." Because I know you, I know you will understand the comments. But when you go home, and you look at yourself in the mirror, what do you see? you see a woman, a white woman. So basically by saying my comment I'm denying a part of you, and I don't appreciate you for everything you are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah that triggered something for me. I had a conversation when I was at home with a white man in his fifties and the concept of white privilege he just couldn't swallow. He said "I am not asking to be born white, it is not a privilege". And as I moved forward in the conversation none of my arguments worked. Finally I asked him "do you recognize that you are a man?" he says "yes". "Do you recognize that as a man you have privileges that I am not as a woman?" and he answers "certainly", and finally I asked him "did you ask to be born a man? what's the difference?" and I saw that it caused a reflection. It felt like his feminist side was more developed than his anti-racism side. He understood the cause and supported 100% Black Lives Matter, he just really didn't understand the term white privilege. Ten years ago I don't think this comment would have worked, but in 2020 it did.
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Speaker 3: These moments found a concrete way to allow people to see. What is the tangible reality going on? What's this? What is really saying between the lines? Yes, in principle this is an example of how you're not black? No, I identify as a black man. I am proud of who I am so basically what I ask you is to recognize that in me. Then I come back, as I understand what the person really means, it always comes back to the person that you are, to the point that I love that I love you., You, I love your character, your energy, your proposals. But I admit that you are a black man, me and I love you too. I want to use these moments to educate people. It was two examples in my personal life that I could share with you. I can also live off racism as an artist because people can make comments without realizing that they might be perceived as racist.
00:43:52
Speaker 3: Comments like "oh yeah that's good but hip hop here nobody likes it, that won't work." There may be a portion of reality in this case. "We are not ready to book this because rap here doesn't work." But the person saying that is a white, middle aged person who has their way of operating very comfortably and for whom rap would be out of their comfort zone. The people who are responsible for buying shows and putting them into their community are called presenters. Then these people, as I already said, are a little older. Worse, they are used to their customers. For them, it's more people around their age. But certain that these people there, they also have in their mandate the responsibility to address a young broad public. We are still young between the three of us. It hasn't been too long since we left high school. We still know well the reality of young people. The edm, the rap and the rock, super popular then, if I will even be frank with you, the Hip-Hop universally speaking, it is the kind of music which has the greatest influence in the world, to the point where everyone wants to be a rapper. There, you tell me oh yes, with us, we are just not interested. Our community is not ready to receive this kind of artist in this kind of music there. But if your community isn't ready, it's because you're afraid of it and you don't trust your kids or that they like that music. They've certainly heard of what in this universe looks like, so you don't dare take the risk. In my opinion, the job of a broadcaster is not only to present its favorites to its audience, but also to introduce something new to the community and develop cultural knowledge of its community. It's still because he just didn't want it. If you don't want that, you have to ask yourself real questions. You are almost blocking the development of your community or blocking opportunities for cultural experiences for your young people who thirst for it. You don't because you're still in the days where you went our age and rap is young nonetheless. Maybe not popular when you were young, yes back then, but in a new era like hip hop, it's like super universal.
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Speaker 2: Last question:
00:48:08
Speaker 1: It's more like I wish you would tell us about social media in any BLM this year, then I generally know how to educate myself on black communities. Me, I moved from Hearst in grade 10, just before the university went international to recruit. So now it's a lot more multi-cultural than when I was there.
00:48:47
Speaker 1: Then I had a black friend, I was asking questions, then my friend who was white was like Camille, you sound racist. Like I just want to understand like this is the first time I had an interaction with a black person. Back in the day we didn't have social media like today so the only way I could educate myself was by asking questions that might have moved me.
00:49:33
Speaker 1: But I wanted to educate myself as if social networks. What is the use of social networks in there? What is the impact of social media on educating people about black communities.
00:50:36
Speaker 3: It allows people to join different communities and see or consume different communities. It allows people to broaden their horizons. People no longer have the reflex to dig a little further. So, I think social networking is very useful. I think social media is a good weapon when used well. It's a double-edged sword, when it's misused when people who, like everyone else have the right to their opinion.
00:51:24
Speaker 3: Even if it's not necessarily every opinion that deserves to be released publicly because you wonder who will take this to face value and the people who will run with it. What I would invite the people who listen to us, the people who want to continue doing the work that you are doing, the team that you, Camille did with your black friend.
00:52:05
Speaker 3: No question is a misplaced question, especially when it comes from a good place, a place in it. I think you want to ask a question to someone from different communities. The person always wants to feel it. Me, I am happy to know that the person to whom you asked your questions felt comfortable answering you.
00:52:36
Speaker 3: Ask yourself real questions. Keep doing your research. Continue to educate yourself, then continue to engage as soon as we have started frank, unique conversations, framed by good energy with your friends who come from different communities to understand their reality and so that they too, on the other hand, understand your reality too. I think the importance is having real conversations to say the real things, and then seeking to understand the other's perspective. If we manage to do that as a friend or as parents, children, to have moments like that because the conversations are going to be a little hot, but in the end, the goal is to understand each other. You have to feel comfortable doing the same with people who come from different communities. Me, that's what I had to say. If there was one piece of advice, it would be this. Then, if you have to use to take stock with social networks, if you had used your social networks, if you have your own platform, you want to use it. Make sure your information is true and then you have the right sources since you are part of the percentage of people who are going to put out wrong information and harm the development of the human race, I think that is the message. the most important that I could convey.
00:54:07
Speaker 2: I think that ends the podcast well. I think this statement literally ends our discussion with flying colors.
00:54:58
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that help development and then break brick by brick apart from systemic racism is that each community talks to each other. I could see that too while all this was going on with George Floyd, the young people really took their place and were not afraid to have difficult conversations with their parents. I think this is the start of the change we want to see. It starts in homes, then in communities. Continue, do this great job, I say thank you, thank you very much.
00:56:06
Speaker 3: Where can people find you on social media?
00:56:22
Speaker 3: Everywhere. You know Facebook, Twitter, Instagram? Apple music, spotify ... look for FLOFRANCO.
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Speaker 2: Don't forget to follow AFO on all these platforms @monassemblee on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and YouTube. Then, in the next episode, we will talk about art as a typefor activism. So, see you soon, everyone.
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Speaker 3: Thanks to you.